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In the crown's opening address, prosecutor Jose Crespo said the year-old boy was brought before the headmaster of St Stanislaus Catholic College at Bathurst in the mids. However, on 9 May , the High Court ruled that the courts should not automatically impose an additional jail term in lieu of caning unless there are reasons to do so. Archived from the original on 28 January Hi lewis going to need another discipline july aug will book with master cain if you are able and willing to join in. What you do hear,and haer very loud and clear,is the impact of the cane mini-seconds before the agonising pain explodes across your bottom. However,the Housemaster knowing that the lad would never be able to stand a full on six gave him four determined strokes instead-and he got to keep his sweet ration but at the expense of a realy sore bottom and a 'ladder' of painful bruises! As I am a six foot two sixteen stone regular long distance swimmer the force is formidable. The modus operandi is the same as that of judicial caning.

The canings drew hundreds of people, including a lot of women, and everybody seemed to love it. A prison officer confirms with him the number of strokes he has been sentenced to. Hi Ken - I would love to join in if he is prepared to punish me at the same time as you. This caning would be given out,without hesitation,for cheating and bullying the latter sometimes given in front of the bullies victim as a show of justice and obviously making the caning much harder to take for the bully as he tries to conceal cries of pain and difficulty-It's as the Dr once said "six of the best is the most painful experience a schoolboy could possibly immagine. Would someone please post master kains phone number for me, so i can get in contact with him. Thank you Master Kain for granting my wishes. Hi again - I have decided on reflection that I do not want to take part in this. Yes and a bit more, but it is well worth it. Does he have a website? According to a survey conducted by The Sunday Times in January , 57 percent of surveyed parents said that caning was an acceptable form of punishment and they had used it on their children.

Retrieved 8 July Caning is, in practice, always ordered in addition to a jail sentence and never as a punishment by itself. He also relates of one point in his career when he had to abort a 12 stroke bare bottom caning for feer of,and I quote "Excessive damage" It was the last 12 he ever gave. Hi again - I have decided on reflection that I do not want to take part in this. Retrieved 7 December In the Singapore Girls' Home, punishments for serious offences may include solitary confinement in a windowless room, as well as caning on the palm. The following groups of people are not allowed to be caned: [10]. Archived from the original on 6 August

Goody Feed. Looking to get the prison strap and need some advice. There is no such thing as a 'real caning', or a 'real headmaster', or indeed a 'real cane'. Fplease keep us all posted. A converted vaulting horse equipped with eight wide leather straps plus a single extra wide waist one ensures there is no movement of the subject,however hard they are caned. That's what the Master sees,that's what the Master hears. I have a schoolboy uniform. The Singaporean government has defended its stance on judicial caning and said that the punishment does not amount to torture and is conducted under strict standards and medical supervision. Deutsche Presse-Agentur.

As well as the positioning of the strokes to avoid "wraparound" etc it is imperative to monitor the wellbeing of the subject. Before the caning, the Discipline Master usually explains the student's offence to the audience. Archived from the original on 4 February I agree that cp should be used in schools. In at a Leicestershire comprehensive school two classes of boys were caned for making excessive noise in the changing rooms following pe, they were lined up outside the main hall so that most students could see them, then they were taken in single file to the principles office and given 2 strokes. The feeling after a good caning is totally relazing. Also,if the headmaster gave the boy six,the headmistress would cane the girl likewise and this is where the equality of the caning broke down-and all this actualy happened. I particularly enjoy the impact of the first stroke and the appearance of the two parallel lines that look almost as if they have been applied with chalk. And, I asked for and got, my first ever a. You risk a caning".

Military caning is less severe than its civilian counterpart, and is designed not to cause undue bleeding and leave permanent scars. Hi, I would also be up for a group session with Master Kain. Solitary confinement is also permitted for children of and above 12 years of age, except in remand homes. How was your session caneechris? Corporal punishment. Help me get the six of the best I want and otk sp Finally rebooked for tomorrow at 4pm. When the boy was 13, Mr McPhillamy allegedly squeezed his naked buttocks as the boy was drying himself in the shower block. If convicted, they may be sent to the state-run reformatories , namely the Singapore Boys' Home and the Singapore Girls' Home, for up to three years.

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Excellent visit lett glowing from tail bone to top of thighs,started with hand warm up hands flat on bench then prison strap secured finished with dragon cane secured, will be going back again, mr a Cain is excellent in delivering the discipline you won't and need a true proffional. Cambridge University Press. Lesson learned re controlling my behaviour when disiplined!! He usually lines up a number of canes on a bench at the end of the room and asks me to fetch one at a time, hand it to him and then bend back over his punishment bench. I would love the cane and very hard on my bare bottom Visiting justices may also order an inmate to be given up to 24 strokes of the cane. The caning officer carefully positions himself beside the trestle and takes aim with the cane. I asked for it,can I change my mind or should I go through with it and hold down till the last stroke.. He has a superb introductory programme to start again at the most gentle level, gradually build up until full caning is happening, all within a single 1 hour session.

Whether or not the girl could have whithstood six of the best from the Headmaster,if it was he who was to give the canings,is a matter of conjecture but certainly both boy and girl could have JUST about held out for six each from the Headmistress. Is it a sexual act or a control thing? Lesson learned re controlling my behaviour when disiplined!! Archived from the original on 28 September Archived from the original on 17 December I need putting back in my place. Is he still around? All over his buttocks were multiple marks and deep lacerations. Archived from the original on 5 March

As I grew older the cane got thicker and longer, some left a sting, some sore and others both. Six-of-the-best most definately is'nt!!! Superficial bruises and weals may appear on the buttocks and last for a few days after the punishment. The possibility of caning as a corrective action is often explicitly stated in schools' student handbooks or on their websites. Of course,to fully appreciate-if indeed that's the appropriate word here-what an old style traditional school caning actualy felt like-during AND after the caning-is something that you will only ever be able to relate too if you've ever taken a REAL caning from a REAL Headmaster-and I'm afraid that as time moves on more and more people will never,ever know just how excrutiatingly painful a TRUE six-of-the-best realy was-so in response to this the Forum inevidibly gets swamped out with the most unlikely and incredibly fantastic accounts of meke believe only equaled by the likes of Louis Carroll and he was high on opium!! However,the Housemaster knowing that the lad would never be able to stand a full on six gave him four determined strokes instead-and he got to keep his sweet ration but at the expense of a realy sore bottom and a 'ladder' of painful bruises! Retrieved 31 July January

Next, a protective item book or file will be tucked into the boy's trouser waistband to protect the lower back from mis-strokes. Retrieved 23 January Hi, i have a booked a session with Master Kain. Corporal punishment. Am tried of being let down so i am going to take control and book into a club for discipline, that way i can watch and be watched as the strapping and canings are delivered to my bare ass. Kuala Lumpur. According to a survey conducted by The Sunday Times in January , 57 percent of surveyed parents said that caning was an acceptable form of punishment and they had used it on their children. The Ministry of Education encourages schools to punish boys by caning for serious offences such as fighting, smoking, cheating, gangsterism, vandalism, defiance and truancy. A crisp white shirt and black tie plus leather gloves completes the outfit and gives rather the impression of a police or prison officer.

Some schools may seek parental or guardian consent before administering the punishment. Archived from the original on 19 July And as for boys remembering the length, and dimensions of a cane they had probably only seen a few times, 30 or more years previously, that is a total nonsense. Singapore: Ministry of Home Affairs. As a CP enthusiast I questioned him at great length over such matters pertaining to the caning of boys,their reactions to a hard caning,his caning technique,what happens when a boy can't 'hold' out for a full six and so forth and he answered equaly in great and imformative detail some of which I would like to impart here. Retrieved 18 March He delivered the first stroke that was so hard that the boy lurched bodily foreward in spite of being held down at the same time as letting out a pain loaded scream. Is he still around? We have agreed on a prison scene where am sentanced to corporal punishment.

In the Singapore Armed Forces SAF , a subordinate military court, or the officer in charge of the SAF Detention Barracks, may sentence a serviceman to a maximum of 24 strokes of the cane 10 strokes if the serviceman is below 16 [91] for committing certain military offences or for committing aggravated offences while being detained in the Detention Barracks. Apologies but I need to see Masterkain on my own before I consider acting out with others. I also provide aftercare and dressing with antiseptic cream if the subject expresses the wish for that. My boyfriend n I had played truant. The offender is not told in advance when he will be caned; he is notified only on the day his sentence is to be carried out. As on his website - Ministry Of Education. A boy and a girl from both schools had committed a crime that effectively lost both their schools a victory in some kind of inter-schools competition.

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So there are several of us now No problem looks like it would only be the two of us anyway. Scammers have been reported on our forum. The feeling after a good caning is totally relazing. Before the caning, the Discipline Master usually explains the student's offence to the audience. January But trying to get a master to deliver it is hard! Can attend a study in herts London in whatever uniform demanded.

Yes he does - I will wait to hear from him. Forum Jar : Caning Forum : judicial. If he is too far, the stroke will only cover part of the buttocks. I enjoy receiving the cane after a good strapping first. It is administered in an enclosed area in the prison out of the view of the public and other inmates. What a Headmaster hears when he is giving a caning is a whole lot different than what it would sound like to a boy,bent over his desk,and fealing six of the best. He didn't have any bandages, just a towel to put over the buttocks. Chief Justice Yong Pung How not only dismissed his appeal, but also added three strokes of the cane to the sentence.

They were both exposed to the rest of the class on the monday and were to be caned--six of the ver best--during the recess break at the end of the lesson. In addition the canee is offered the option of hooding sand gagging. Caning is a widely used form of corporal punishment in Singapore. Caning must be carried out in the presence of another staff member. Please do not buy anything or pay anyone on this forum. Guest again. Canada Ingraham v. I think he should be too,in front of the boys bent over a desk in the school hall.. Is this an activity for gay men?

This soon leads to a stinging sensation and general soreness around the points of impact, usually lasting for some hours; sitting down is likely to be uncomfortable. Start a Wiki. I was then told to stand up to attention for 5 minutes and then given another 6 stokes standing to attention. Can someone tell me the difference between thicknesses in canes for inflicting pain on the backside of shorts. Servicemen in the Singapore Armed Forces SAF who commit serious military offences may be sentenced by a military court to a less severe form of caning in the SAF Detention Barracks, which houses military offenders. If you are an headmaster who beleives in corporal punishment.. The superintendents of reformatories are allowed to impose corporal punishment on both male and female residents as a last resort for serious misconduct. And, I asked for and got, my first ever a.

Military caning is less severe than its civilian counterpart, and is designed not to cause undue bleeding and leave permanent scars. Retrieved 11 July Which would you rather be hearing?! The outcome then was that the boy got the hardest caning and the sorest bottom by far while the girl,although sore from a good hard caning,in comparison escaped with a less painful caning. Canings in school may be sorted into these categories: []. People do indulge in fantasies of course, but when some of us talk of the REAL thing, there is a particular material meaning. Archived from the original on 13 April Archived from the original on 28 January

He stands barefooted on the trestle base and bends over a padded horizontal crossbar on one side of the trestle, with the crossbar adjusted to around his waist level. The student then places his hands on a desk or chair, bends over or leans forward, and receives strokes from the rattan cane on the seat of his trousers or shorts. Retrieved 27 August I was then told to mount the horse and had the option to either be strapped to it or have the stroke count re-start from 1 if I moved or cried out I tool the non-tied-down option. In the crown's opening address, prosecutor Jose Crespo said the year-old boy was brought before the headmaster of St Stanislaus Catholic College at Bathurst in the mids. For instance, the Dangerous Fireworks Act states that caning is mandatory for a manager or owner of a company which imports, delivers or sells dangerous fireworks. Archived from the original on 29 January Caned for swearing at master after shower incident, court told. If he is too far, the stroke will only cover part of the buttocks. He then whent into another room, when he came out he was dressed as a doctor and proceeded to give me a medical to make sure i was up to receiving the discipline, i was passed fit The doctor then left and a police discipline office came out, i was to receive 18 strokes of the strap and 6 of the cane, i was strapped down so it was impossible to move, the strapping and caning was delivered to completion, it was very painful but what i had been longing for for sometime.

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Please keep me posted. The prison officers who administer caning are carefully selected and specially trained for the job. Master Kain has disciplined one birched and simply bent over. Based on first-hand accounts, the student typically feels moderate to acute pain for the first few minutes, depending on the number of strokes. Archived from the original on 29 January Thanks - tell him I will come and see him first to be dealt with on my own prior to a session with the two of us. Archived from the original on 17 December Archived from the original on 15 January

Then I got to 3 and it re-started. He told me too, that my own mother was a cane addict and had organised my school caning! A cane was produced about 20 to 24in long very thin and I was shown it and warned that it would make my bum sting,soon I had felt it 3 strokes and my seat was really stinging and a few tears running. In the crown's opening address, prosecutor Jose Crespo said the year-old boy was brought before the headmaster of St Stanislaus Catholic College at Bathurst in the mids. The Master will hear the full effects as he canes--the terrible swishing as the cane cuts through the air--the dull crack as the cane drives into the boys bottom with trmendeous force-- the verbal expression as the boy reacts to the pain and the boys sharp intakes of breath as he struggles to keep composure--the lurching upwards and forewards from the impact of the cane and the final high pitched yell as the two last strokes quadruple the pain of the previous four. I went for the borstal experience; his role-play is superb. I RAN after him and asked him to take me to his home and cane me again. However, on 9 May , the High Court ruled that the courts should not automatically impose an additional jail term in lieu of caning unless there are reasons to do so. Based on first-hand accounts, the student typically feels moderate to acute pain for the first few minutes, depending on the number of strokes. He also had a 'reputation' let's say for wickedness!

Retrieved 6 July Amnesty International condemned the practice of judicial caning in Singapore as a "cruel, inhuman or degrading punishment". Retrieved 6 December A solemn and formal ceremony, school caning is typically carried out in a manner similar to the canings administered in English schools before school corporal punishment was banned in England in Archived from the original on 13 July From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. He seemed to know your number. A boarding school student was caned for swearing at an assistant housemaster who had molested him in the shower, a Sydney jury has been told. Cancel Save. As I grew older the cane got thicker and longer, some left a sting, some sore and others both.

Archived from the original on 15 May We have been reported about links to websites that contain viruses. I am going to get a real 'six of the best' on the 16th November and I am scared.. Well something has gone wrong then as I have not heard from him. I went for the borstal experience; his role-play is superb. In this 'underground' cult, absolutely none of it at all, is fantasy. Archived from the original on 9 March Forum Jar : Caning Forum : Authentic canings from retired headmaster. They were both exposed to the rest of the class on the monday and were to be caned--six of the ver best--during the recess break at the end of the lesson.

It was in between the two. Due to a certain technicality the boys escaped what would have been their first ever caning and the good Doctor thought that six of the best would be far to much to bear so made them re-sit the test. He has protective padding secured around his lower back to protect the kidney and lower spine area from strokes that land off-target. Hi lewis going to need another discipline july aug will book with master cain if you are able and willing to join in. Please do not buy anything or pay anyone on this forum. Most caning sentences are far below the legal limit of 24 strokes. The trial before judge Robert Sorby continues. Your experience is similar to mine though in my case he has me in a pair of expensive pyjamas.

Amnesty International condemned the practice of judicial caning in Singapore as a "cruel, inhuman or degrading punishment". Caning, as a form of legally sanctioned corporal punishment for convicted criminals, was first introduced to Malaya and Singapore by the British Empire in the 19th century. However when I suggested this the headmaster explained that both schools had different policies on CP and that the sister school usualy only caned where 4 was the maximum whereas his school,who obviously believed that boys NEEDED caning harder than girls gave a maximum of 'six over a trousered bottom' but of varying levels of severity which in this case would have meant the utmost level permitted by the rules of the school-in other words-a 'full on six' So,while both miscreants were caned,and caned hard and both having to suffer a very sore bottom for a week or so,it still does'nt alter the fact that one-the boy-was caned a lot harder for the SAME crime as the other-the girl. He thrashes me as my father would have done wearing a silk gown, open necked shirt and cravat. Three charges relate to Mr McPhillamy allegedly straddling the boy to massage him before pushing his hands underneath him to touch his penis and testicles. Sorry I need to be fully restrained for discipline, that way I know there is no getting off lightly. Cambridge University Press. Sorry thought you were a regulur.

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This precedent set by the Chief Justice became a benchmark for sentences in molest cases, where the court is expected to sentence a molester to at least nine months' imprisonment and three strokes of the cane if the offence involves touching the victim's private parts. Archived from the original on 20 July Looking for judicial style caning, 36 strokes by male or female. Ministry of Education. Caning is used as a form of legal corporal punishment in government homes, remand homes, and other homes for children and youth. I'm a mate of The Apache Kid-in fact,were much of the same person and I tell you this just to show how easy it is to get thrown by double Aliases. See also: Caning in Brunei and Caning in Malaysia. Has anyone had a corporal punishment session with him. Never having been caned before he was now about to face a certain six-of-the-best from the Housemaster and when the Housemaster caned he did'nt hold back. A smaller cane or other implement is often used by some parents to punish their children.

Singapore Legal Advice. Officially, whipping , in accordance with traditional British legislative terminology. Instead he was "chastised for swearing and sent to be caned". Archived PDF from the original on 28 January He delivered the first stroke that was so hard that the boy lurched bodily foreward in spite of being held down at the same time as letting out a pain loaded scream. Electronic Research Collections. Please also do not go to any links posted on here. Next thrashing is Monday 6th March

Is he still in London? I was caned by someone a headmaster others thought of as the most awesome caner at a christian brothers school in Malaysia. Hi - apologies only just seen your post. I will make sure master kain gets to see these posts. He couldn't sit for too long so he was standing up. Next session with Masterkain booked for hrs on 4. The bunker london will be booked for 6 people, have been told by master kain scenario will take 2 hours to deal with us all. The cane is soaked in water overnight to make it supple and prevent it from splitting and embedding splinters in the wounds. I also provide aftercare and dressing with antiseptic cream if the subject expresses the wish for that. Only the High Court may order the caning of boys below the age of

Chief Justice Yong Pung How not only dismissed his appeal, but also added three strokes of the cane to the sentence. Retrieved 26 November I'm a mate of The Apache Kid-in fact,were much of the same person and I tell you this just to show how easy it is to get thrown by double Aliases. Mr McPhillamy has admitted possessing the four pornographic images and Mr Crespo said the jurors could infer he had a "particular state of mind". Several of us here Jason, Lee and myself would be up for a group session with him - would you? Some hold "quite high" grades in martial arts even though proficiency in martial arts is not a requirement for the job. Archived from the original on 7 August Caning, as a form of legally sanctioned corporal punishment for convicted criminals, was first introduced to Malaya and Singapore by the British Empire in the 19th century. The next stroke followed 10 seconds later-then the cane snapped up by the crook!! A prison officer confirms with him the number of strokes he has been sentenced to.

Lewis you are a glutton for punishment, hope he deals with you servely. However,the Housemaster knowing that the lad would never be able to stand a full on six gave him four determined strokes instead-and he got to keep his sweet ration but at the expense of a realy sore bottom and a 'ladder' of painful bruises! We have been reported about links to websites that contain viruses. Singapore Statutes Online. In the mids, Mr McPhillamy had his own room in the "priests' corridor" located near the year seven dormitory. Domestic School Judicial. There are some differences across the three countries. I am due to be caned by a Master in London on Monday at 6pm. World Corporal Punishment Research. Next I got to 8, then 12 and then finally all the way to

Always ordered in addition to a prison sentence, it is inflicted with a long and thick rattan cane on the prisoner's bare buttocks in an enclosed area in the prison. I also cane guys and girls on a regular basis Master. Not often these days - it's been over 2 years! I made very many visits to the headmistress study from the age of 5 when she would pull down my trousers and pants and tanning my seat, at 7 it was kneeling on a chair bent over the back for the strap, again on bare bum. Categories : Caning in Singapore. However, Singapore is not signatory to the Convention. Wells - the reason you use words and phrases like 'probably' and 'I doubt' and 'may have had' is because you just don't know. Male criminals who were not sentenced to caning earlier in a court of law may also be punished by caning in the same way if they commit aggravated offences while serving time in prison. I will phone him and get back to you.

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Retrieved 27 May Thank you. I'm not sure why you are taking an arrogant tone, whilst gainsaying through your own mere assumptions what others have said. Blood spurted, bits of flesh flew and the prisoner screamed in pain. We have been reported about links to websites that contain viruses. Topic: Authentic canings from retired headmaster There is no doubt many people who read these CP Forums have at some time come across the writings of Dr Dominum-a very well read and articulate now retired Headmaster who in his years as a teacher has had to administer between 5 to 10' canings--mostly 3s followed by 2s and then 6stroke canings. Well something has gone wrong then as I have not heard from him. Then I got to 3 and it re-started.

Please keep me posted. In the Singapore Boys' Home, boys are routinely caned on the buttocks for serious offences such as fighting, bullying and absconding. If he is certified fit, he proceeds to receive his punishment; if he is certified unfit, he is sent back to the court for the sentence to be remitted or converted to additional time in prison. He often describes himself as a very strict disciplinarian who believes that if you are going to cane a boy-"cane him properly" However,while he caned,and caned hard,he was well liked and respected by the boys who,I might add,were more than well aware of the'bounderies'-beyond these,a caning was more than a possibility. Singapore: Ministry of Home Affairs. How often do you get disciplined. I enjoy receiving the cane after a good strapping first. I am an adult schoolboy and wet my underpants and short grey schoolboys shorts when being caned because of fear I accidenly met him in the street as an adult, and I literally came in my pants on the spot automatically when I recognised him. If there is a word stronger than excruciating, that should be the word to describe it".

He will restrain me if necessary. Seriously what do you guys get from this? Outline Index Bibliography. When something,even as rare as this,happens the caning is immediately abandoned-as school caning policy dictates-no going back to a caning no matter how serious the offence. Any male convict, whether sentenced to caning or not, may also be caned in prison if he commits certain offences while serving time in prison. January Channel News Asia. Most offenders struggle violently after each of the first three strokes and then their struggles lessen as they become weaker.

Things look different when you are younger, and I doubt if they would have been trying to work out the dimensions of a cane than was about to be used on them. For a propper caning to be effective-and of course painful-the strokes are 'drawn' out-that's about 8 to 10 seconds between each thus allowing for the fullest possible pain to accamalate and in this manner the boy will be in pain for at least a full minute which,as he again explained,was the full and intended purpose of the punishment. Canings are also administered in Drug Rehabilitation Centres. We'll soon know whether or not if you're claims are to be believed. I read once.. Will we all be stripped naked? FInd him on www. What effect does the senior cane have on teenage boys in grey school shorts? This was an incident that happened one morning at the end of school assembly at my school back in the 40s. I made very many visits to the headmistress study from the age of 5 when she would pull down my trousers and pants and tanning my seat, at 7 it was kneeling on a chair bent over the back for the strap, again on bare bum.

A solemn and formal ceremony, school caning is typically carried out in a manner similar to the canings administered in English schools before school corporal punishment was banned in England in When I was 10 I was called into headmasters office. I think he should be too,in front of the boys bent over a desk in the school hall.. Judicial caning is also used as a form of legal punishment for criminal offences in two of Singapore's neighbouring countries, Brunei and Malaysia. This is a very severe and painful punishment and it would have left the boys in great discomfort for the rest of the day due to very heavy weals and bruising--but they got a last minute reprieve. Sign In Don't have an account? The Master will hear the full effects as he canes--the terrible swishing as the cane cuts through the air--the dull crack as the cane drives into the boys bottom with trmendeous force-- the verbal expression as the boy reacts to the pain and the boys sharp intakes of breath as he struggles to keep composure--the lurching upwards and forewards from the impact of the cane and the final high pitched yell as the two last strokes quadruple the pain of the previous four. Goody Feed. The cane is soaked in water overnight to make it supple and prevent it from splitting and embedding splinters in the wounds.

Retrieved 8 September Archived from the original on 16 June Singapore: Times Books International. Archived from the original on 2 March While it's more than possible to knock up a fantasy caning that almost has the uninitiated goggled eyed in awe and wonder-it's totaly impossible to immagine the pain,the after effects,the days of discomfort and the sight of a senior school cane resting on the Headmasters desk just moments before you are about to feel it-fantasise all you like,but the REAL THING is certainly as far removed from fantasy as it can possibly get. This was an incident that happened one morning at the end of school assembly at my school back in the 40s. Caning is also a mandatory punishment for certain offences such as rape , drug trafficking , illegal moneylending , [15] and for foreigners who overstay by more than 90 days — a measure designed to deter illegal immigrants. In the Singapore Girls' Home, punishments for serious offences may include solitary confinement in a windowless room, as well as caning on the palm. Hi, I would also be up for a group session with Master Kain.

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Caning is controversial internationally, but if one must justify why we cane offenders, it is just deserts for pain which the offender has caused to the victim, for example, hurt, injury or the threat of violence. I would love to relive this experience by a man Sorry thought you were a regulur. The feeling after a good caning is totally relazing. They note that understanding and accepting such punishment is essential to the effectiveness of caning as a deterrent of misconduct. Caning is a severe punishment, and it is always combined with jail as the offences tend to be serious and to make it easier, administratively, to arrange for the caning to take place. Critics argue that since Singapore is a member of the Convention on the Rights of the Child , it is therefore obliged to "take all appropriate legislative, administrative, social and educational measures to protect the child from all forms of physical or mental violence, injury or abuse". Retrieved 30 August Next I got to 8, then 12 and then finally all the way to

I live in leicestershire would love a proper schoolboy caning. Singapore: Academy Publishing. Under MOE regulations, a maximum of three strokes [] may be inflicted using a light rattan cane. I am 39 and still not even been smacked. We have been reported about links to websites that contain viruses. Singapore Statutes Online. Retrieved 3 June Military caning is less severe than its civilian counterpart, and is designed not to cause undue bleeding and leave permanent scars. He delivered the first stroke that was so hard that the boy lurched bodily foreward in spite of being held down at the same time as letting out a pain loaded scream.

I use a dragon cane on are skin. Where does he work from now? Retrieved 4 September Archived from the original on 4 November There were some headmasters, and others in schools who may have had an interest in caning, but every one of them would have had a different interest. Archived from the original on 19 August See also: Caning in Brunei and Caning in Malaysia. As I am a six foot two sixteen stone regular long distance swimmer the force is formidable. Will we all be stripped naked?

Retrieved 7 February Archived from the original on 18 February They were both exposed to the rest of the class on the monday and were to be caned--six of the ver best--during the recess break at the end of the lesson. Not often these days - it's been over 2 years! The Straits Times. Similarly, juvenile delinquents in reformatories may be punished by caning for serious offences. Part of a series on. Have booking to see mr a Cain of stains on the 12 Dec. Because you observe certain rules, there's enough food, enough exercise, fresh air, sunshine

No he is still around but given up Leicester Square punishment chambers. I think both girls and boys should be caned if the offence warrants it. I would love the cane and very hard on my bare bottom Retrieved 19 March R u too really going to get disciplined together, it should be very exiting watching someone get a hard discipline you are so lucky to know someone that well. He then whent into another room, when he came out he was dressed as a doctor and proceeded to give me a medical to make sure i was up to receiving the discipline, i was passed fit The doctor then left and a police discipline office came out, i was to receive 18 strokes of the strap and 6 of the cane, i was strapped down so it was impossible to move, the strapping and caning was delivered to completion, it was very painful but what i had been longing for for sometime. Thank you. I have taken an example here from actual events between two linked schools-one for boys,the other for girls. Whereabouts are you Tony? Deutsche Welle.

Archived from the original on 22 November I live in leicestershire would love a proper schoolboy caning. Some schools may seek parental or guardian consent before administering the punishment. I require treatment every 8weeks or so, can't focas without. Another example is the transporting of illegal immigrants; a manager of a company who authorises or participates in such activity can be sentenced to caning. Most acept the gag,but not the hood. Informally, caning ; the phrases "strokes of the cane" and "strokes of the rotan" are used interchangeably. While most of Singapore's laws on offences punishable by caning were inherited from the British legal system through the Indian Penal Code , the Vandalism Act was only introduced in after independence, in what has been argued [17] to be an attempt by the ruling People's Action Party PAP to suppress the opposition's activities in the s because opposition supporters vandalised public property with anti-PAP graffiti.

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It is administered in an enclosed area in the prison out of the view of the public and other inmates. The only time that I'm ever convinced by a so called authentic caning is when I can compare the details favourably with my own Boarding School experiences from back in the days when Corporal Punishment was a very painful reality and not a painful fetishistic account by someone who's on vacation from Cloud Cuckoo Land with nothing better to do. Retrieved 25 March Retrieved 4 September Looking to get the prison strap and need some advice. Forwarded to ou by master kain. The Sydney Morning Herald. They were both exposed to the rest of the class on the monday and were to be caned--six of the ver best--during the recess break at the end of the lesson. Caning must be carried out in the presence of another staff member.

Start a Wiki. Outline Index Bibliography. Some schools may seek parental or guardian consent before administering the punishment. Similarly, juvenile delinquents in reformatories may be punished by caning for serious offences. Cancel Save. In every case it was a success and I have a large collection of E mails from canees thanking me for their experience. Would a real headmaster like to sp.. Archived PDF from the original on 24 September For instance, the Dangerous Fireworks Act states that caning is mandatory for a manager or owner of a company which imports, delivers or sells dangerous fireworks.

But if you cane him, and he knows he will be given six of the best on his buttocks, and it will hurt for one week that he can't sit down comfortably, he will think again. In a interview with China Central Television , Lee explained why caning should continue in Singapore with reference to the Michael Fay incident : "Every country has its own problems to face, we know, certain things. Some schools implement a demerit points system, in which students receive mandatory caning after accumulating a certain number of demerit points for a wide range of misconduct. Any real headmasters in south Yorkshire want to help me.. Retrieved 23 November To be properly caned is a truly shocking event that will affect you the whole of your life. FInd him on www. However, Singapore is not signatory to the Convention. A smaller cane or other implement is often used by some parents to punish their children.

Hope it works out for the rest of you. The punishment is administered in private by the superintendent or an authorised officer of the same sex as the offender, using a cane of a type approved by the Director of Social Welfare. Thanks - tell him I will come and see him first to be dealt with on my own prior to a session with the two of us. Cancel Save. Retrieved 28 August He didn't have any bandages, just a towel to put over the buttocks. Archived from the original on 14 October Seriously what do you guys get from this? In the crown's opening address, prosecutor Jose Crespo said the year-old boy was brought before the headmaster of St Stanislaus Catholic College at Bathurst in the mids. As on his website -

He received 4 with strap then 6 of the best. A boarding school student was caned for swearing at an assistant housemaster who had molested him in the shower, a Sydney jury has been told. He couldn't sit for too long so he was standing up. The discipline will take place on the 15 Aug midday, I have been told we will receive 18 strokes. Retrieved 26 June The Ministry of Education MOE states that corporal punishment is allowed for serious or repeated misconduct under the Education Schools Regulations, and adds that counselling and follow-up guidance should be carried out. There are some differences across the three countries. So there are several of us now The Star. It can be divided into several contexts: judicial, prison, reformatory, military, school, and domestic.

The anticipation is really bad at present. A week later he was reprimanded by the headmaster for swearing at a staff member, the jury was told. Retrieved 30 August Archived from the original on 19 July I particularly enjoy the impact of the first stroke and the appearance of the two parallel lines that look almost as if they have been applied with chalk. He also relates of one point in his career when he had to abort a 12 stroke bare bottom caning for feer of,and I quote "Excessive damage" It was the last 12 he ever gave. Six-of-the-best most definately is'nt!!! Retrieved 6 June A prison officer confirms with him the number of strokes he has been sentenced to.

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Start a Wiki. The offender stands upright at the A-shaped frame with his feet apart and hands tied above his head. Once he has removed his clothes, he is restrained in a large wooden trestle based on the British dual-purpose prison flogging frame. Outline Index Bibliography Category Portal. There are those people who DO know, and I know enough of them personally to realise that there are shared common experiences of both the physical reactions and of how REAL canings were given. In the crown's opening address, prosecutor Jose Crespo said the year-old boy was brought before the headmaster of St Stanislaus Catholic College at Bathurst in the mids. Caning remained on the statute book after Malaya declared independence from Britain in , and after Singapore ceased to be part of Malaysia in Dos it really hurt as much as you think it will. Retrieved 7 December

Fantasy is painless. The two boys were caught cheating at an end of term exam. The caning usually leaves the child with painful red welts [] that will fade within days. A real caning is given with a long wind-back and delivered with full and aggressive adult force, and the angle used is judged for different reasons. Retrieved 10 January In at a Leicestershire comprehensive school two classes of boys were caned for making excessive noise in the changing rooms following pe, they were lined up outside the main hall so that most students could see them, then they were taken in single file to the principles office and given 2 strokes. Does master kain offer a sexual service? The feeling after a good caning is totally relazing. I was caned by someone a headmaster others thought of as the most awesome caner at a christian brothers school in Malaysia.

They include the following:. On the day i was greeted by a stern gentleman in a suit how ran through what to expect. Wright S v Williams Tyrer v. A converted vaulting horse equipped with eight wide leather straps plus a single extra wide waist one ensures there is no movement of the subject,however hard they are caned. Not often these days - it's been over 2 years! He's quite happy for people to watch while you're caned so I might invite a friend along next time to watch. Sign In Don't have an account? Singapore: Academy Publishing. Archived from the original on 2 March Forwarded to ou by master kain.

Did you get told what you are to receive as discipline,hope it is server. PDF, 9. I've lost touch with Master K. The scenario was for a judicial strapping and singapore caning. Next session with Masterkain booked for hrs on 4. Archived from the original on 13 April Realy you need'nt worry,the Navy does'nt cane Cadets any more-the last time they did was about a century ago-I think it was aboard Noahs Ark It was not uncommon for the courts to extend, by up to 12 months, [11] the prison terms of offenders originally sentenced to caning but later found to be medically unfit to undergo the punishment.

Although sentences of between three and six strokes are much more common, they usually receive less or no coverage by the media. New Straits Times. The modus operandi is the same as that of judicial caning. Canings in school may be sorted into these categories: []. Please also do not go to any links posted on here. Once he has removed his clothes, he is restrained in a large wooden trestle based on the British dual-purpose prison flogging frame. Brought up with canings and still need the headmaster treatment from any master or mistress who can use a cane with firmness. The New Paper. Hi, i have a booked a session with Master Kain.

McPhillamy tried to comfort him by giving him a hug, using one hand to reach down and stroke the boy's penis and testicles, the court heard. Fplease keep us all posted. I bend over when told to and stay down until the last stroke.. By way of a cedibility test post in-in every possible detail- your own experience of a proper school caning and then let myself,and others who have actualy FELT a caning,be the Judge. A crisp white shirt and black tie plus leather gloves completes the outfit and gives rather the impression of a police or prison officer. Finally rebooked for tomorrow at 4pm. For example, juvenile delinquents get to watch a real-life demonstration of caning on a dummy during compulsory prison visits. Part of a series on. I am an adult but feel like a 14 year-old boy when in shorts.. Lewis - would you be happy to have a group caning by Master Kain?

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I have heated a frying pan up.. Usualy ankles knees lower back and wrists on some occassions a material gag will be nessesary as well. Some schools tuck a protective item e. The trial before judge Robert Sorby continues. You risk a caning". Retrieved 6 December He was an old man, but he was more effective than ever!! Your experience is similar to mine though in my case he has me in a pair of expensive pyjamas.

When you wake up from your dream and read this I'm sure you'll agree. Seriously what do you guys get from this? Would love to join the gang of you if possible. Singapore: KRP Publications. Just try lying over a desk with your pants down and after the first stoke, which by the way, feels akin to having a 1kw electric fire bar layed across your bottom, see just how long you can endure much more!! Canings in school may be sorted into these categories: []. Thank you. Caning is a widely used form of corporal punishment in Singapore. Archived from the original on 13 April

The following groups of people are not allowed to be caned: [10]. Deutsche Presse-Agentur. So there are several of us now Archived from the original on 16 November Under Ministry regulations, the punishment should not exceed a maximum of 6 strokes, and can only be administered on the palms or buttocks using a light rattan cane of about 4 feet long. Certain schools adopt special practices. It was in between the two. The Sydney Morning Herald. Retrieved 10 May I was rather embarrassed as I was fully aroused during was actually tempted to grope him for a reaction!

Would love to join the gang of you if possible. September Things look different when you are younger, and I doubt if they would have been trying to work out the dimensions of a cane than was about to be used on them. Has anyone been disciplined by master Robert of Swindon Wilkshire. Mr Crespo said Mr McPhillamy told the first complainant, who was 12 and upset at becoming a boarder, that he could sit on the man's bed and "chill out". His feet are tied to a lower crossbar on the same side by restraining ankle cuffs made of leather, while his hands are secured to another horizontal crossbar on the other side by wrist cuffs of similar design; his hands can hold on to the crossbar. Do not believe a word written by the fake 'headmaster' above. Can attend a study in herts London in whatever uniform demanded. The offender must be certified by a medical officer to be in a fit condition of health to undergo the punishment [96] and shall wear "protective clothing" as prescribed.

Archived from the original on 20 July Mind you,he said,not many boys can! Hi lewis court order date is here for breach of peace, The discipline will take place on the 15 Aug midday, I have been told we will receive 18 strokes. Would a real headmaster like to sp.. Solitary confinement is also permitted for children of and above 12 years of age, except in remand homes. Male convicts who are not sentenced to caning by the courts are still liable to be caned in prison if they commit offences while serving time in prison. Categories : Caning in Singapore.

Further to this,he continued,the after effects of such a severe caning would last much longer,particulary in the way of bruising but this should clear up within ten days to a fortnight depending on how easily the boy bruised or,indeed. Not often these days - it's been over 2 years! Has anyone been in contact with m kain to see about group booking. Can anyone advise how best to take a caning. Archived from the original on 1 March I've been to abel cain in Staines - very thorough - you are in for a good time Ken. Thanks - tell him I will come and see him first to be dealt with on my own prior to a session with the two of us. In at a Leicestershire comprehensive school two classes of boys were caned for making excessive noise in the changing rooms following pe, they were lined up outside the main hall so that most students could see them, then they were taken in single file to the principles office and given 2 strokes.

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Looking for judicial style caning, 36 strokes by male or female. Goody Feed. Three charges relate to Mr McPhillamy allegedly straddling the boy to massage him before pushing his hands underneath him to touch his penis and testicles. However, the Prisons Department has confirmed that such cases are rare. Attorney-General Chambers, Singapore. The Sydney Morning Herald. Permanent scars remain even after the wounds have healed. This soon leads to a stinging sensation and general soreness around the points of impact, usually lasting for some hours; sitting down is likely to be uncomfortable.

The Sunday Times. If the boys reactions were less than expected he would adjust the force of the next stroke accordingly. However,the Housemaster knowing that the lad would never be able to stand a full on six gave him four determined strokes instead-and he got to keep his sweet ration but at the expense of a realy sore bottom and a 'ladder' of painful bruises! Canings in school may be sorted into these categories: []. As I grew older the cane got thicker and longer, some left a sting, some sore and others both. I have no number forwarded to me? But this time-sweet ration or no sweet ration-his friend was'nt about to play the hero for a second time-so it was over the Housemasters desk for the caning that he should have got. I am homosexual and will be aroused during the proceedings I hope this will not cause offence. I was rather embarrassed as I was fully aroused during was actually tempted to grope him for a reaction!

Of these, judicial caning is the most severe. Help me get the six of the best I want and otk sp The Ministry of Education MOE states that corporal punishment is allowed for serious or repeated misconduct under the Education Schools Regulations, and adds that counselling and follow-up guidance should be carried out. When I asked about his preferred caning position he told me that the touching toes position was ok for a 'standard six,but for a harder caning he far preferred the boy bent over a chair or desk-"the safest position in which to deliver a realy hard six of the best"-the worst possible caning a schoolboy could expect. Archived from the original on 5 March Archived from the original on 19 July To be properly caned is a truly shocking event that will affect you the whole of your life. The punishment is administered in private by the superintendent or an authorised officer of the same sex as the offender, using a cane of a type approved by the Director of Social Welfare. He didn't have any bandages, just a towel to put over the buttocks.

Cambridge University Press. Singapore Dissident. He's quite happy for people to watch while you're caned so I might invite a friend along next time to watch. Topic: Authentic canings from retired headmaster There is no doubt many people who read these CP Forums have at some time come across the writings of Dr Dominum-a very well read and articulate now retired Headmaster who in his years as a teacher has had to administer between 5 to 10' canings--mostly 3s followed by 2s and then 6stroke canings. Master Kain has disciplined one birched and simply bent over. If you have'nt leave it to others that have! Jolene's Story. My boyfriend n I had played truant.

Some schools require the student to read out a public apology before receiving his strokes. Although the extensive use of judicial caning is a policy commonly associated with the ruling People's Action Party PAP , the opposition parties do not oppose it because they agree on its effectiveness as a deterrent to crime. Marshall Cavendish International Asia. There is usually higher demand when students prepare for examinations, and the cane will be used more often, resulting in breakages. Is it legal for a man to dress as a schoolboy as long as it is not for illegAl purposes.. See also: Caning in Brunei and Caning in Malaysia. Always ordered in addition to a prison sentence, it is inflicted with a long and thick rattan cane on the prisoner's bare buttocks in an enclosed area in the prison. About pain in the backside.. Help me get the six of the best I want and otk sp The Singaporean government has mentioned that it considers "the judicious application of corporal punishment in the best interest of the child.

Domestic School Judicial. January to November only [26]. This practice is allowed in Singapore but not encouraged by the government. He said, "After he knows what it's like, he will have nothing left to fear. And most especially - a real caning, is certainly NOT what you see, on the video clips that abound now, although some go close, though not many at all. The father of the second complainant, also aged 13, had himself been a student at Stanislaus. No problem looks like it would only be the two of us anyway. I know you won't believe this, but it is factual in every detail. You risk a caning".

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I recall an incident in my House at Boarding School once when this particular boys best friend broke into the schools farm poultry house and stole all the eggs-his idea was to sell the eggs to the house Prefects-but he got caught. Children and youths aged 16 and below alleged to have committed crimes may be placed in remand homes during the period of investigation. Some schools tuck a protective item e. I am to be caned soundly on the 20th May A recipient of nine strokes thinks that even though it may be a nightmare the first time, an offender who has been caned before will have experienced the extent of fear of criminal punishment and so may not find it as much of a disincentive to commit repeat offences. I also provide aftercare and dressing with antiseptic cream if the subject expresses the wish for that. RedWire Times Singapore. Before the caning, the Discipline Master usually explains the student's offence to the audience. On another occasion, when the boy fell asleep during a massage, he woke to find Mr McPhillamy allegedly sucking his penis.

Retrieved 24 January All the strokes were well placed and all of exactly the same, consistent severity very Next I got to 8, then 12 and then finally all the way to I made very many visits to the headmistress study from the age of 5 when she would pull down my trousers and pants and tanning my seat, at 7 it was kneeling on a chair bent over the back for the strap, again on bare bum. The offender stands upright at the A-shaped frame with his feet apart and hands tied above his head. In some cases, male employees can be sentenced to caning for offences committed by the company they work for. I can certainly vouch for the quality and professionalism of Master Kain. Singapore: Times Books International. Does master kain offer a sexual service? Informally, caning ; the phrases "strokes of the cane" and "strokes of the rotan" are used interchangeably.

When something,even as rare as this,happens the caning is immediately abandoned-as school caning policy dictates-no going back to a caning no matter how serious the offence. The discipline will take place on the 15 Aug midday, I have been told we will receive 18 strokes. This practice is allowed in Singapore but not encouraged by the government. Guest due for a Naval caning. Lewis you are a glutton for punishment, hope he deals with you servely. School caning is a solemn and formal ceremory. Hi Mark Glad you have booked to see Master Kain - you will have a wonderful time. I heard he had retired and left London. The boy allegedly left the room, telling Mr McPhillamy not to touch him and to leave him alone. The punishment may be administered only by the Principal or Vice-Principal, or by a specially designated and trained Discipline Master.

In at a Leicestershire comprehensive school two classes of boys were caned for making excessive noise in the changing rooms following pe, they were lined up outside the main hall so that most students could see them, then they were taken in single file to the principles office and given 2 strokes. Mr a Cain of stains is really recommened from beginers to full judicial he will sort you good. Retrieved 7 June PDF, 9. Chief Justice Yong Pung How not only dismissed his appeal, but also added three strokes of the cane to the sentence. There are those people who DO know, and I know enough of them personally to realise that there are shared common experiences of both the physical reactions and of how REAL canings were given. So in steps our hero,the lads best friend,and took the full blame-and a realy hard full on caning while he was at it-six-of-the-absolute-best after which he wished that he had chosen to be a coward and to hell with being a hero! Yes get in touch and I'll give you his details. Department of State.

See also: Caning in Brunei and Caning in Malaysia. I've lost touch with Master K. It was so shocking [that] my female paralegal who was with me almost fainted. As Singapore evolves, some citizens may perceive that schools are refraining from using corporal punishment due to their fears of a strong backlash from parents. They are generally physically fit and robustly built. I enjoy receiving the cane after a good strapping first. Routine school canings are normally not publicised, so only rare and special cases are reported in the media. Allowing ten second intervals the canee usually quietens down around the fourth to fifth strokes as the endorphins come in strongly. All but one have been on males,the exception was a very game Canadian lady who took it as well as all the men. January to September only [25].

Oxfordshire england area. See also: Caning in Brunei and Caning in Malaysia. School Bag: the Education News Site. Archived from the original on 27 May Has anyone had a birching from Master Kain? Retrieved 19 December Please also do not go to any links posted on here. Like to chat similar adult prefects or like minded. January to November only [26]. Several of us here Jason, Lee and myself would be up for a group session with him - would you?

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I'm also overdue a visit to MK! Corporal punishment. The discipline will take place on the 15 Aug midday, I have been told we will receive 18 strokes. The anticipation is really bad at present. Goody Feed. Lesson learned re controlling my behaviour when disiplined!! Retrieved 27 August For example, in an year-old molester was initially sentenced to six months' imprisonment but he appealed against his sentence.

Retrieved 13 September Will report back. I can certainly vouch for the quality and professionalism of Master Kain. The Press. When the boy was 13, Mr McPhillamy allegedly squeezed his naked buttocks as the boy was drying himself in the shower block. Topic: judicial Well , be careful what you wish for, i have been trying to get a judicial discipline for sometime now. In the Singapore Boys' Home, boys are routinely caned on the buttocks for serious offences such as fighting, bullying and absconding. Often by the eighth to ninth strokes he offers no reaction whatsoever as he enters the calm phase. The punishment may be administered only by the Principal or Vice-Principal, or by a specially designated and trained Discipline Master. A boarding school student was caned for swearing at an assistant housemaster who had molested him in the shower, a Sydney jury has been told.

I'll look out for it Finally rebooked for tomorrow at 4pm. This is applicable only to male students: it is illegal to cane girls. The last time I had a judicial caning off master kain I was subjected to a medical before, will you be getting one. A solemn and formal ceremony, school caning is typically carried out in a manner similar to the canings administered in English schools before school corporal punishment was banned in England in There is no such thing as a 'real caning', or a 'real headmaster', or indeed a 'real cane'. According to a survey conducted by The Sunday Times in January , 57 percent of surveyed parents said that caning was an acceptable form of punishment and they had used it on their children. Further to this,he continued,the after effects of such a severe caning would last much longer,particulary in the way of bruising but this should clear up within ten days to a fortnight depending on how easily the boy bruised or,indeed.

Have been told to expect the most demanding discipline I have ever received. A week later he was reprimanded by the headmaster for swearing at a staff member, the jury was told. Will report back. I am a mature 60 year old,that was never caned at school. Topic: Authentic canings from retired headmaster. The punishment may be administered by only the Principal or any staff member under the Principal's express authority, usually the Vice Principal, Discipline Master, Operations Manager, or any other legally authorised member of the school's Disciplinary Committee. I am to be strapped and caned tomorrow 27 4 14 i will be secured, and given 78 strokes. Forwarded to ou by master kain. Lesson learned re controlling my behaviour when disiplined!!

To be properly caned is a truly shocking event that will affect you the whole of your life. He's a notorious liar, fantasist and all-round lunatic. He has protective padding secured around his lower back to protect the kidney and lower spine area from strokes that land off-target. Retrieved 18 March Some schools may seek parental or guardian consent before administering the punishment. Before the caning, the Discipline Master usually explains the student's offence to the audience. Unless otherwise agreed the strokes are given at full force. I never had the cane just the strap in school but want To know how six of the best feels? All Singapore Stuff. A Superintendent of Prisons may impose corporal punishment not exceeding 12 strokes of the cane for aggravated prison offences.

Mr Crespo said the boy jumped up and left the room. I am homosexual and will be aroused during the proceedings I hope this will not cause offence. On another occasion, when the boy fell asleep during a massage, he woke to find Mr McPhillamy allegedly sucking his penis. Deutsche Welle. Archived from the original on 20 March When I was 10 I was called into headmasters office. Lewis its a shame we can not get disciplined together i would like to see you get a beating, and i would like someone to witness one of mine. The Mirror. Routine school canings are naturally not normally publicised, so cases only get reported in the press in rare special cases. Mr a Cain of stains is really recommened from beginers to full judicial he will sort you good.

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I've lost touch with Master K. Marshall Cavendish International Asia. Ithen put it to the Headmaster at the time that it would have been equaly fair to both if both had either been caned by either one,or the other.

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